Illegal Fish

Hi all,

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-fish/brakpan/red-belly-piranha-fish-for-sale/1001096735630910166073809

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-fish/brakpan/rare-exotic-fish/1001095849420910005963809

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-fish/krugersdorp/exotic-fish/1001097626500910001507509

This is exactly the kind of irresponsible trade that we are all trying to get banned or regulated...

Some unsuspecting person goes in and buys a cute little fish never expecting it to grow into a monster that they can no longer keep in their little tank and not only that proceeds to eat everything else in their tank.

I don't have a problem if they insist on getting a permit to sell such fish, but I would rather that they insist on the buyers signing a contract & getting a permit to keep them as well. At least that way they can be regulated on numbers allowed into the country. I also feel that it is the responsibility of the person selling these fish to also find out if the buyer is indeed a responsible fish keeper and not just some Joe Blogs of the street and has not the first idea of how to even look after fish.

It's because of people like this that spoil the rest of the hobby for the rest of us.

 

I will ask the mods to make a sticky of the complaint forms to be filled out in such an instant and to whom it has to be sent to get it enforced.

 

@Skye01 - I fully understand where you are comming from with this. One qeustion, Since we are on the disscution on the forum. Why not open the fish imports to "you may import any fish" with a list of fish on a "Licence to keep species" on another list and then a black list with distinct fish that will make trouble without a doudt. The Black list should have things on it like Pleco's (International know invasive species - Home). I know there is a storm comming over what mentioned but heck this is a debate forum.

 

I am sure if you searched TASA there is about two million threads like this, with the op throwing a hissy fit only for the thread to be forgotten in a day or two..... True story

 

@ROEKSTE - I understand what you are saying & yes I suppose that I'm wrong what I said before but these are getting into the country at the moment, so what do we do about this now? They are already here....

All I'm saying is that rather than banning things outright, we force the people who want to keep them into a situation of being responsible about the keeping of these species that they now own. I also think that they need to be forced in to learning all they can about the blacklisted species they now own...

Like the guy from 50/50 said, now you have an illegal species what do you do with it now?

 

Hi Mods,

Please remove this thread for me...

Thanks

 

Wish we could have Serasalmus Natteri's legally.

Look at this amazing setup:

http://www.blueaquarium.org/2010/11/last-day-at-the-amazon-by-oliver-knott/

How do these people get these fish into SA? Thought it's all very controlled.

 

Why don't everyone report these type of adds as being illegal fish to keep in SA. I did. lets see what happens

 

These fish is being imported under mainly names like spotted silver dollars when they are really small. Like 2-3cm they really look very similar. Some times they are packed as contaminated fish with silver dollars and the importers only see it or hear of when they are sold into the trade other times the importers take a chance and import them under a false name but know what is comming.

Remember, the controls is only as good as the education that the people recived for this.

These has been in the country for quite a number of years.

 

I wasn't trying to attack you, point was just that these threads pop up often, but nothing seems to come of it and it just gets forgotten.

 

Nothing will happen, if you go read Gumtree's AUP then you will understand why nothing will happen and why the ads keep showing up.

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Hi all,

I think that the saddest thing of all is that the Alligator Gar is not even listed in the black list.... I don't know what people are going to do with them when they reach their eventual size of 10+ feet.:Rulz:

Again I agree with you @ROEKSTE, the people that are in the regulations office obviously have no education regarding anything to do with nature conservation, not only fish, but plants & other wildlife as well... :stupido: It's all about the "gravy train" and jobs for mates rather than caring about our very precarious eco-system. It just really makes me angry...:motz:

Now they are trying to make us as fish keepers pay the price for the slip-ups that they have already made. It's like shutting the proverbial door after the horse has bolted...

 

Just a comment and perhaps a question. Seeing that the Gauteng conservation/environmental act is currently ranking high on the agenda, I always felt a very good argument to justify keeping species such a S.Natteri and others, is the fact that these fish cannot survive in wild populations on the Highveld due to winter temperatures, i.e. it would not be possible for them to go through a complete breeding cycle. In Gauteng, I also doubt there is a ecosystem that will sustain such a species from a water quality point of view.

I can 100% see it being a problem in the warmer places like KZN, LI, MP, and yes they could get there via our river systems ex GP. In reality the chances are very very slim though. Why are Bass tolerated everywhere, I do like fishing, but Bass are a death sentence to all our natural occurring species, they survive in the cold and all sorts of water conditions, yet the sport of Bass fishing is hugely encouraged, and all our dams are full of the things.

Aquarium trade is probably just an easy target.

 

There are many species on the blacklist which would never survive in our waters due too water pollution, water conditions and predators. There are so many things to consider, I am wondering if they even set up test sites too see if imported animals would survive local conditions.

 

So I coincidently ran into the guy who is selling these Piranas at a LFS. Turns out they are actually Pacu's. Anyway still illegal. Story goes He got them from a friend...

At the same LFS they have what is labeled spotted silver dollars. Are these perhaps juvenile S Natteri?



Stunning fish, must admit.

 

Those are actually spotted silver dollors and not Pacu's.. Search them on the internet..

 

Sorry, misunderstood your post. Mods please delete both my posts.